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Epinephrine · Mar 01, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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emote /skillbar

e.g.

Player: I have Guardian, Reversal of Fortune, Mend Ailment, Divine Boon, Contemplation of Purity, Smite Hex, Holy Veil and Offering of Blood on my skillbar.

MSecorsky · Mar 01, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

/not signed.

Although a good idea on the surface, try to get into groups after this is in effect with a party leader that already knows how you should do your build better than you do. People will be forced into currently accepted cookie-cutter builds or kicked.

Mercury Angel · Mar 01, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

I disagree. If you have to do things like hide your skill set from your other teammates, then it can't be a very close group, and if people don't trust each other and work together openly, then I don't think they can do well anyway.
That aside, I'm not sure the text line would fit, though if it were a built-in message, perhaps it could break the character limit. Not sure how that works.
A potential benefit of this is that the game has the database of translations to pull from already. If you wanted to team internationally, and people could only slightly communicate to each other in their mutual language choice, then it'd help clear up confusion by auto-translating the skills for people. That's one of the reasons I'd like the same deal for weapons.

Epinephrine · Mar 01, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Interesting point. I suppose you could simply not tell them - they say "Type your skills" and you say "no". Then again, I don't pug, so it's more for quick communication with guildmates when throwing builds together. I ask people what they are running the few times I do end up taking people into a group (generally I don't as I'd rather a henchman for most things, but sometimes you can't help it or feel generous.)

I suppose I see the objection, but if they want they can already ask you for your skillbar, just that you have to type it each time, and they can already be pains and try to tell you how to play, I've seen it. So I don't see it as making that situation any worse.

leeky baby · Mar 01, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

its a good idea i surpose but its qicker to just say on vent or ts then anet having to make some programe to do this ?

MSecorsky · Mar 01, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Well, just about all I do these days is PvE pugs... hey, I find it fun. There are far too many out there that would abuse the emote to determine whether or not they feel someone is worthy of their group. Granted it may benefit the PvP crowd, sure... but it will yank the casual player in the short-and-curlies and result in endless grief.

Consider trying to get into a group for UW, FoW or Tombs with a unique build you want to give a go there...

Orbberius · Mar 01, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Consider trying to get into a group for UW, FoW or Tombs with a unique build you want to give a go there...

So what do you usually do when somebody asks what your skills are? Lie? It seems to me you would be doing the group a disservice if you didn't reveal your 'unique' build.

This or something like it would make it so much easier to form 8-man groups.

MSecorsky · Mar 01, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Orbberius

So what do you usually do when somebody asks what your skills are? Lie? It seems to me you would be doing the group a disservice if you didn't reveal your 'unique' build.

This or something like it would make it so much easier to form 8-man groups.

Actually, I've only been asked once, as a monk.

However, this opens things up to simplifying abuse. Better to give Pandora a cookie and her doll and tell her to go play.

Warskull · Mar 01, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Well, just about all I do these days is PvE pugs... hey, I find it fun. There are far too many out there that would abuse the emote to determine whether or not they feel someone is worthy of their group. Granted it may benefit the PvP crowd, sure... but it will yank the casual player in the short-and-curlies and result in endless grief.

Consider trying to get into a group for UW, FoW or Tombs with a unique build you want to give a go there...

Why should I accept someone into my group if I can tell by their skillbar that the suck and don't understand the role I need them to play? You reject 55 monks from your FoW and UW groups, don't you? Why can't I reject a monk who obviously won't be able to play the healing monk spot or a warrior who doesn't quite understand the concept of DPS? I can tell by your skillbar if you know how to play your character pretty easily. This would be a rather useful in both PvP and PvE.

I regularly discuss skillbars in PvE when I play with good players. A good example is on a SF run with two monks. I was playing the healer and between us we decided to drop mend ailment on the heal monk because the only really common condition was bleeding and the other monk could handle it more efficiently with his build. Thus I swapped in vigorous spirit instead for a great deal of highly efficient healing. This would be useful for organizing good players.

You can always form your own group if you want to keep your skillbar a super-secret. A vast majority of the time when pick-up player types their skillbar it makes me debate just using a henchman instead. This will help good players form groups and help bad players improve their build. Some builds just aren't viable (W/E with lightning strike and chain lightning, I am talking to you.)

MSecorsky · Mar 01, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Warskull

Why should I accept someone into my group if I can tell by their skillbar that the suck and don't understand the role I need them to play? You reject 55 monks from your FoW and UW groups, don't you? Why can't I reject a monk who obviously won't be able to play the healing monk spot or a warrior who doesn't quite understand the concept of DPS? I can tell by your skillbar if you know how to play your character pretty easily. This would be a rather useful in both PvP and PvE.

And this is exactly why it's a bad idea.

All you know is your concept of how characters should be played, not how well I play mine. To think that you can tell someone's abilities by their skillbar is to overinflate personal opinion.

Undivine · Mar 01, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by leeky baby

its a good idea i surpose but its qicker to just say on vent or ts then anet having to make some programe to do this ?

Not everyone can use TS or Vent. Some people have 56K modems. Some people do not own a microphone. Some people do not like others to hear their voice. Some people do not have a good enough computer to run both GuildWars and a VOIP program.

And there are enough of these people that most groups do not use them. Really, are you going to bother connecting to a server for a simple thunderhead keep mission? And when half your group cannot do the same, making you have to use the map and chat bar anyways?

I would definately use this feature. Whenever I join a group that has someone in it who is the same class as me, I want to know their build so I can form my build to compliment theirs. Sure there are pretentious folk like Warskull, but this is such a convenient emote.

MSecorsky · Mar 02, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Undivine

Not everyone can use TS or Vent. Some people have 56K modems. Some people do not own a microphone. Some people do not like others to hear their voice. Some people do not have a good enough computer to run both GuildWars and a VOIP program.

And there are enough of these people that most groups do not use them. Really, are you going to bother connecting to a server for a simple thunderhead keep mission? And when half your group cannot do the same, making you have to use the map and chat bar anyways?

I would definately use this feature. Whenever I join a group that has someone in it who is the same class as me, I want to know their build so I can form my build to compliment theirs. Sure there are pretentious folk like Warskull, but this is such a convenient emote.

Of course there are some folks that would use it properly. However, it opens things up to a greater level of abuse. Most of the kids playing this game can't handle that kind of power. Because the potential abuse FAR outweighs the potential gains, this is a bad idea.

Undivine · Mar 02, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Of course there are some folks that would use it properly. However, it opens things up to a greater level of abuse. Most of the kids playing this game can't handle that kind of power. Because the potential abuse FAR outweighs the potential gains, this is a bad idea.

What can I say? No, it doesn't.

The "potential abuse" (oh how people love to throw that phrase around with any suggestion) is pretty much already there. People already criticize other's strategies and tell them how to play. That's not going to increase. It simplifies abuse that's going to happen anyway. The gains outweigh the "potential abuse."

Besides, as Epinephrine mentioned, you can just not tell them. You can be more general and say "I'm healing" or "I'm spike damage." Sometimes that's even better at communicating your strategy then actually giving them the entire build, since they may not exactly know how you're going to use it to spike damage.

But tell me something: why would you want to group with an asshole like that anyway?

NatalieD · Mar 02, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Secorsky, if someone doesn't want you in their group, that's their decision. You're opposed to this idea because you want to sneak into groups where your build isn't wanted? That's damn close to griefing.

shardfenix · Mar 02, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

So they can tell their skillbar, then change it seconds later? No. This does nothing.

d3kst3r · Mar 02, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

/signed

Really frustrating trying to organise a pvp group and some idiot in your team decides to go his own way. And also works as a quality assurance meter for those pesky people in common builds who are too noob to admit they don't know what skills to bring and end up bringing absolutely none that help.

Warskull · Mar 02, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

So they can tell their skillbar, then change it seconds later? No. This does nothing.

No, this does something. This lets us properly communicate what we are running very rapidly. Some skills you don't need overlap on. For example if both necros in your party call their skillbar and two copies of Dark Fury exist one of them can swap out that skill. It is tool for people who want to honestly communicate with each other and form a stronger group. For 55 monks that want to sneak into a regular group, this won't fix anything.

Racthoh · Mar 02, 2006, 04:19 AM // 04:19

No harm in having the option to quickly display your skillbar. Speeds up the progress when someone asks your bar, where's the problem?

zoozoc · Mar 02, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

all i see this as is a faster alternative to typing out your skill bar. I really dont get where this "abuse" will come from. If someone really wanted to, they could switch there skills right before the emote then switch back. So for all those ppl who like being grievers, you can still do it, this dosnt change anything.

Mindcrime · Mar 02, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

4-slots of "save build" option and then /skillbar (perfectly for guildmates and friends making team), I don't bother with PUGS, since I haven't been in one for months.